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“All the same, we ought to point out that if the kinds of poetry and representation which are designed merely to give pleasure can come up with a rational argument for their inclusion in a well-governed community, we'd be delighted -- short of compromising the truth as we see it, which wouldn't be…” quote by Plato
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““All the same, we ought to point out that if the kinds of poetry and representation which are designed merely to give pleasure can come up with a rational argument for their inclusion in a well-governed community, we'd be delighted -- short of compromising the truth as we see it, which wouldn't be right -- to bring them back from exile: after all, we know from our own experience all about their spell. I mean haven't you ever fallen under the spell of poetry, Glaucon, especially when the spectacle is provided by Homer?””

Plato

About This Quote

This interpretation was drafted with AI assistance. It is one reading of the quote, not the author's own explanation.

Pleasurable poetry can be justified in society if it supports truth and civic good, despite its seductive power.

In simple terms: Poetry can be valuable if it aligns with truth and community.

Key Takeaway

Balance artistic pleasure with moral purpose.

Themes

art ethics politics education

Mood

reflective critical

Type

philosophical debate

When to use this quote

  • curriculum design
  • public policy
  • cultural programming
  • media criticism

Key Concepts

aesthetic value social cohesion rhetoric

Questions to Reflect On

  • Should societies limit art that merely pleases?
  • How to gauge poetry’s civic contribution?
A Different Perspective

Artistic appeal may conflict with truth, causing tension.

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