--- title: "Meaning & Key Takeaway of: To say both, 'I am doing' and 'I am…" description: "\"“To say both, 'I am doing' and 'I am Knowing' is known as gross ignorance of the Self. You ('Chandubhai') are actually the object to be known (gneya) y..." image: "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/e65/dada-bhagwan-31_doership_to-say-both-i-am-doing-and-i-am-knowing_2875097.jpg" --- # To say both, 'I am doing' and 'I am Knowing' is known as… ![“To say both, 'I am doing' and 'I am Knowing' is known as gross ignorance of the Self. You ('Chandubhai') are actually the object to be known (gneya) yet you are considering others to be the object to be known! Become the Knower (Gnata) and then Know the object to be known ('Chandubhai').” quote by Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/e65/dada-bhagwan-31_doership_to-say-both-i-am-doing-and-i-am-knowing_2875097.jpg) [Download](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/e65/dada-bhagwan-31_doership_to-say-both-i-am-doing-and-i-am-knowing_2875097.jpg) [Open image](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/e65/dada-bhagwan-31_doership_to-say-both-i-am-doing-and-i-am-knowing_2875097.jpg) > ““To say both, 'I am doing' and 'I am Knowing' is known as gross ignorance of the Self. You ('Chandubhai') are actually the object to be known (gneya) yet you are considering others to be the object to be known! Become the Knower (Gnata) and then Know the object to be known ('Chandubhai').”” [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) ## About This Quote This interpretation was drafted with AI assistance. It is one reading of the quote, not the author's own explanation. Confusing self‑knowledge with knowing others leads to ignorance; become the knower to truly understand. **In simple terms:** Mistaking self‑knowledge for external knowledge causes ignorance. Key Takeaway Seek inner awareness before judging others. Themes spirituality self‑awareness knowledge Mood contemplative serene Type spiritual philosophical When to use this quote - meditation - therapy - leadership - education Key Concepts philosophy self‑realization Questions to Reflect On - How does inner knowing change your view of others? - Can true self‑knowledge coexist with external learning? A Different Perspective Self‑focus may ignore external realities. ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ No ratings yet [Doership](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/doership/) [Ignorance](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/ignorance/) [Self](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/self/) ## Related quotes > [“It is a fault for anyone to say, "He is doing." To say, "He is not doing," is a fault. 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