--- title: "Meaning & Key Takeaway of: By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you…" description: "\"“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self) are the doer and by the real viewpoint (Nischay), You (as the Self) are the non-doer. This i..." image: "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg" --- # By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self)… ![“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self) are the doer and by the real viewpoint (Nischay), You (as the Self) are the non-doer. This is what Lord Mahavir says.” quote by Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg) [Download](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg) [Open image](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg) > ““By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self) are the doer and by the real viewpoint (Nischay), You (as the Self) are the non-doer. This is what Lord Mahavir says.”” [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) ## About This Quote This interpretation was drafted with AI assistance. It is one reading of the quote, not the author's own explanation. From a worldly perspective we act as doers, but from the ultimate view we are the non‑doing consciousness. **In simple terms:** We act, yet true self is beyond action. Key Takeaway Recognize the distinction between ego actions and deeper being. Themes spirituality identity philosophy Mood contemplative calm Type philosophical spiritual When to use this quote - meditation - ethical decision making - conflict resolution - leadership training Key Concepts non‑dualism self‑realization detachment Questions to Reflect On - What daily habits reveal your non‑doer nature? - How does this view affect responsibility? A Different Perspective Non‑dual concepts can be abstract for practical use. ★ ★ ★ ★ ★ No ratings yet [Behavior](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/behavior/) [Doership](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/doership/) [God](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/god/) [Identity](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/identity/) [Mahavir Says](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/mahavir-says-5683726/) [Nischay Self](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/nischay-self-5683728/) [Real-viewpoint](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/real-viewpoint-155009/) [Relative Self](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/relative-self-913778/) [Self](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/self/) [Viewpoint Vyavahar](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/viewpoint-vyavahar-5683727/) [Vyavahar Relative](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/vyavahar-relative-2629696/) ## Related quotes > [“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), the relative self (atma) is the doer, by the real viewpoint (Nischay) it is the non-doer! Therefore, the pudgal…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-the-relative-self-atma-is-the-doer/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“When can a path be considered 'Akram'? It is one in which there is both, vyavahar (the relative viewpoint) and nischay (the real viewpoint).!”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/when-can-a-path-be-considered-akram-it-is-one-in-which-there-is-both/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“The relative (vyavahaar) is taught by one's mother and the Real (Nischay; the Self) is given by Gnani. Thereafter, nothing else remains to be…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/the-relative-vyavahaar-is-taught-by-one-s-mother-and-the-real-nischay/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“Kashaya (attachment-abhorrence, anger-pride-deceit-greed) means that the relative self (pratisthit atma) within continuously experiences misery, experiences continuous restlessness.”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/kashaya-attachment-abhorrence-anger-pride-deceit-greed-means-that-the/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“When one becomes one with the prakruti (Relative Self), he becomes dependent. When the obstacles of the prakruti (Relative Self) are destroyed, one becomes…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/when-one-becomes-one-with-the-prakruti-relative-self-he-becomes/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“As long as one experiences oneness with the relative self (dehadhyas) of ‘I am’ in this unsteady part of mind, body, intellect, the chit…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/as-long-as-one-experiences-oneness-with-the-relative-self-dehadhyas/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“These are all faults of the relative self, but one believes them to be of the Self (Chetan). That is why this worldly life…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/these-are-all-faults-of-the-relative-self-but-one-believes-them-to-be/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“A person is rendering service to others, that is the disposition of the prakruti (relative Self); whereas another person is rendering disservice to others,…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/a-person-is-rendering-service-to-others-that-is-the-disposition-of/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“The main doer is pudgal (the non-Self complex of input and output), whereas atma (the relative self) is an instrumental doer.”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/the-main-doer-is-pudgal-the-non-self-complex-of-input-and-output/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“This ‘prakruti’ (relative self, made of inherent traits) seems to be alive, but it is not alive in reality. Whatever interactions or the disturbances…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/this-prakruti-relative-self-made-of-inherent-traits-seems-to-be-alive/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“What is the sign that one has attained the Soul; the Self? It is when one knows how to take a ‘picture’ of his…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/what-is-the-sign-that-one-has-attained-the-soul-the-self-it-is-when/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“In this era, there are all kinds of prakrutis (personality of the relative self), so how can it work without adjusting?”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/in-this-era-there-are-all-kinds-of-prakrutis-personality-of-the/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“When one has not known anything but becomes infected with the ‘disease of knowing’; he is a grave diseased person. What is the result…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/when-one-has-not-known-anything-but-becomes-infected-with-the-disease/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [ “The one who lives as his worldly name \[as the relative self\], he will have worries for sure; the one who lives as his… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/the-one-who-lives-as-his-worldly-name-as-the-relative-self-he-will/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“How much is the absence of ownership of the mind-body-speech complex (pudgal, the relative self), that much is the experience of the ownership of…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/how-much-is-the-absence-of-ownership-of-the-mind-body-speech-complex/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) ## More by Dada Bhagwan > [“Where there is doubt (shanka), there is misery. The moment one begins to doubt the knowledge that, 'I am Chandubhai,' misery arises. Once one…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/where-there-is-doubt-shanka-there-is-misery-the-moment-one-begins-to/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [ “The worldly \[spiritual\] science is methodic (kramic) in nature; one progresses “step by step”; one has to ascent one step at a time. Whereas… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/the-worldly-spiritual-science-is-methodic-kramic-in-nature-one/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“In the worldly life, due to maadakta (intoxication of the ego of ‘I am Chandubhai’), one has completely lost awareness of everything about one’s…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/in-the-worldly-life-due-to-maadakta-intoxication-of-the-ego-of-i-am/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [ “Through the grace of a thief, one can become a thief and through the grace of a Gnani \[the enlightened one\], one can become… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/through-the-grace-of-a-thief-one-can-become-a-thief-and-through-the/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [ “Where there are kashays (anger-pride-deceit-greed), there is worldly life. As long as anger-pride-deceit-greed exist; one is a sansaari \[living a worldly life\] regardless of… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/where-there-are-kashays-anger-pride-deceit-greed-there-is-worldly/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“If one does not know how to read the account (karmic) book, then he will start to have doubts, and doubts lead to unhappiness.”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/if-one-does-not-know-how-to-read-the-account-karmic-book-then-he-will/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [ “Skills (learning) or lack of skills is all egoistic knowledge (ego based knowledge). Ego-free Knowledge is called (true) Knowledge \[Gnan\].” ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/skills-learning-or-lack-of-skills-is-all-egoistic-knowledge-ego-based/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“Continue with whatever it is that you have been doing, except for attachment-abhorrence. If ‘we’ stay in our state of Pure Soul, attachment-abhorrence will…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/continue-with-whatever-it-is-that-you-have-been-doing-except-for/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“A variety of difficulties will come your way. But at the time of difficulty, you will be able to find a ready made medicine…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/a-variety-of-difficulties-will-come-your-way-but-at-the-time-of/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“Suppose you want to go to Juhu (suburb in Mumbai) from here, and you come across two paths, which of the two paths is…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/suppose-you-want-to-go-to-juhu-suburb-in-mumbai-from-here-and-you/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“The Soul (our true Self) has to be experienced, the Soul known through scriptures will not do. Work will not be completed through scriptural…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/the-soul-our-true-self-has-to-be-experienced-the-soul-known-through/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“If God were the doer, when will there be an end?! (If) God is the creator and he made us, we become his toys,…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/if-god-were-the-doer-when-will-there-be-an-end-if-god-is-the-creator/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“For those people whose association is harmful to the Self (kusangi), there is no better respectful fear (taap) than that of satsang (spiritual company).”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/for-those-people-whose-association-is-harmful-to-the-self-kusangi/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“Forgiveness is not to be given by speaking. Forgiveness is natural and spontaneously there. Spontaneous forgiveness is a sign of having attained the Self…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/forgiveness-is-not-to-be-given-by-speaking-forgiveness-is-natural-and/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) > [“Remaining absolutely non-acquisitive (aparigrahi) amidst all possessions is the ultimate ‘test examination’.”](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/remaining-absolutely-non-acquisitive-aparigrahi-amidst-all/) [Dada Bhagwan](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) [Explore all 2,468 Dada Bhagwan quotes ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/) ## More Behavior quotes > [The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment, takes its worst toll on those at the bottom - whether black or white…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/thomas-sowell/the-vision-of-the-left-full-of-envy-and-resentment-takes-its-worst/) [Thomas Sowell](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/thomas-sowell/) > [By making conscious choices in our behavior and where we focus our attention, we can transform our experience of our body, decrease our biological…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/deepak-chopra/by-making-conscious-choices-in-our-behavior-and-where-we-focus-our/) [Deepak Chopra](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/deepak-chopra/) > [As you begin changing your thinking, start immediately to change your behaviour. Begin to act the part of the person you would like to…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/anonymous/as-you-begin-changing-your-thinking-start-immediately-to-change-your/) [Anonymous](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/anonymous/) > [“I now know that deep within the human concept is something dark, selfish, and completely willing to do whatever is necessary to support the…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/melissa-west/i-now-know-that-deep-within-the-human-concept-is-something-dark/) [Melissa West](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/melissa-west/) > [“We are endowed with genes which code out our reaction to beavers and otters, maybe our reaction to each other as well. We are…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/lewis-thomas/we-are-endowed-with-genes-which-code-out-our-reaction-to-beavers-and/) [Lewis Thomas](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/lewis-thomas/) > [The number of poor, and poorly prepared, students who succeed in college and beyond undercuts the simplistic notion that economic or educational disadvantage is…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/roland-merullo/the-number-of-poor-and-poorly-prepared-students-who-succeed-in/) [Roland Merullo](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/roland-merullo/) > [To behave creatively in art means behavior with skill; and skill comes from discipline, not derangement. The artist who knows the rules -and proportion…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/burne-hogarth/to-behave-creatively-in-art-means-behavior-with-skill-and-skill-comes/) [Burne Hogarth](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/burne-hogarth/) > [You don't put milk in chamomile tea - that's disgusting behavior! That's not right.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/laura-fraser/you-don-t-put-milk-in-chamomile-tea-that-s-disgusting-behavior-that-s/) [Laura Fraser](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/laura-fraser/) > [The laws of thermodynamics, as empirically determined, express the approximate and probable behavior of systems of a great number of particles, or, more precisely,…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/j-willard-gibbs/the-laws-of-thermodynamics-as-empirically-determined-express-the/) [J. Willard Gibbs](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/j-willard-gibbs/) > [I started with the belief that every person who came to the laboratory was free to accept or to reject the dictates of authority.…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/stanley-milgram/i-started-with-the-belief-that-every-person-who-came-to-the/) [Stanley Milgram](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/stanley-milgram/) > [The tipping point is that magic moment when an idea, trend, or social behavior crosses a threshold, tips, and spreads like wildfire.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/malcolm-gladwell/the-tipping-point-is-that-magic-moment-when-an-idea-trend-or-social/) [Malcolm Gladwell](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/malcolm-gladwell/) > [I think we've told a lot of lies about human behavior through film.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/patricia-arquette/i-think-we-ve-told-a-lot-of-lies-about-human-behavior-through-film/) [Patricia Arquette](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/patricia-arquette/) > [The strongest rebellion may be expressed in quiet, undramatic behavior.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/benjamin-spock/the-strongest-rebellion-may-be-expressed-in-quiet-undramatic-behavior/) [Benjamin Spock](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/benjamin-spock/) > [The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/robert-conquest/the-behavior-of-any-bureaucratic-organization-can-best-be-understood/) [Robert Conquest](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/robert-conquest/) > [If you want good behavior, don't pay on a commission basis. Our judges aren't paid so much a case. We keep them pretty well…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/charlie-munger/if-you-want-good-behavior-don-t-pay-on-a-commission-basis-our-judges/) [Charlie Munger](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/charlie-munger/) [Browse all 4,218 Behavior quotes ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/behavior/) ```json { "@context": "https://schema.org", "@graph": [ { "@type": "Quotation", "text": "“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self) are the doer and by the real viewpoint (Nischay), You (as the Self) are the non-doer. This is what Lord Mahavir says.”", "creator": { "@type": "Person", "name": "Dada Bhagwan" }, "isPartOf": { "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/#website" }, "url": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-relative-self-are-the-doer-and/", "about": { "@type": "Thing", "name": "Behavior" }, "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-relative-self-are-the-doer-and/#quotation", "image": { "@type": "ImageObject", "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg", "contentUrl": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg", "url": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/ded/dada-bhagwan-31_behavior_by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-r_3155660.jpg", "width": 1080, "height": 1080, "caption": "“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you (relative self) are the doer and by the real viewpoint (Nischay)…” — Dada Bhagwan", "creditText": "SMS4Smile Quotes", "creator": { "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/#organization" } } }, { "@type": "BreadcrumbList", "itemListElement": [ { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 1, "name": "Home", "item": "https://sms4smile.com/" }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 2, "name": "Quotes", "item": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/" }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 3, "name": "Dada Bhagwan", "item": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/dada-bhagwan/" }, { "@type": "ListItem", "position": 4, "name": "“By the relative viewpoint (vyavahar), you...", "item": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-relative-self-are-the-doer-and/" } ], "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/dada-bhagwan/by-the-relative-viewpoint-vyavahar-you-relative-self-are-the-doer-and/#breadcrumb" }, { "@type": "WebSite", "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/#website", "name": "SMS4Smile Quotes", "url": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/", "publisher": { "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/#organization" } }, { "@type": "Organization", "@id": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/#organization", "name": "SMS4Smile Quotes", "url": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/", "logo": { "@type": "ImageObject", "url": "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/wp-content/themes/sq/assets/icons/icon-512.png", "width": 512, "height": 512 } } ] } ```