--- title: "Meaning & Key Takeaway of: Do not consider Collectivists as \"sincere…" description: "\"Do not consider Collectivists as \"sincere but deluded idealists\". The proposal to enslave some men for the sake of others is not an ideal; brutality is..." image: "https://sms4smile.com/quotes/i/d64/ayn-rand-59_brutality_do-not-consider-collectivists-as-sincere_896380.jpg" --- # Do not consider Collectivists as "sincere but deluded… ![“Do not consider Collectivists as "sincere but deluded idealists". The proposal to enslave some men for the sake of others is not an ideal; brutality is not "idealistic," no matter what its purpose. Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. 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Forceful altruism is a contradiction; imposing will is never morally justified. **In simple terms:** Good deeds must be voluntary. Key Takeaway Reject coercion. Themes ethics individualism politics Mood critical thoughtful Type philosophical controversial When to use this quote - legislation - activism - social movements - charitable work Key Concepts moral philosophy political theory coercion Questions to Reflect On - Is any coercion ever ethical? - Can good intentions justify harmful means? 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