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title: "2 John Lame Deer Quotes"
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# John Lame Deer

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John Fire Lame Deer was a Lakota holy man, member of the Heyoka society, grandson of the Miniconjou head man Lame Deer, and father of Archie Fire Lame Deer.

##  Quotes by John Lame Deer

> [“Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/john-lame-deer/before-our-white-brothers-came-to-civilize-us-we-had-no-jails/)

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[Civilized society](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/civilized-society/)

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> [“I had never seen so much hair on a man. It covered all of his face and grew way down to his…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/john-lame-deer/i-had-never-seen-so-much-hair-on-a-man-it-covered-all-of-his-face-and/)

[John Lame Deer](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/john-lame-deer/)

[Hair Man](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/hair-man-769032/)

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