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# Esa-Pekka Salonen

(1958)   Conductor   Finland

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Esa-Pekka Salonen is a conductor from Finland, best known for *Concert Etude for Solo Horn*.

## Quick Facts About Esa-Pekka Salonen

Born June 30, 1958

Nationality Finland

Profession Conductor

Notable works Concert Etude for Solo Horn

## About Esa-Pekka Salonen

Esa-Pekka Salonen is a Finnish conductor and composer. He is the principal conductor designate of Orchestre de Paris and creative director designate of the Los Angeles Philharmonic. He is also conductor laureate of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, Philharmonia Orchestra in London and the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra. He was music director of the San Francisco Symphony from 2020 to 2025.

## Awards & Honors

Pro Finlandia Medal of the Order of the Lion of Finland Polar Music Prize Grawemeyer Award for Music Composition Grawemeyer Awards Litteris et Artibus Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire Officer of Arts and Letters Commander First Class of the Order of the Lion of Finland

Show 5 more awards Sibelius Medal Finnish Music Hall of Fame honorary doctor of the Royal College of Music Echo Klassik – Conductor of the Year Royal Philharmonic Society Award (Conductor)

##  Quotes by Esa-Pekka Salonen · Page 2

> [When we're at the end of The Rite of Spring or of a Bruckner symphony, I want people to feel the music…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/when-we-re-at-the-end-of-the-rite-of-spring-or-of-a-bruckner-symphony/)

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> [The Royal Festival Hall in London is nice; people hang out there. I think this inviting, non-exclusive character is very important.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-royal-festival-hall-in-london-is-nice-people-hang-out-there-i/)

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> [I think if you would like to describe composing as an act with one word, "slow" would be the word.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-think-if-you-would-like-to-describe-composing-as-an-act-with-one/)

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> [There will have to be times when I'm not conducting because I'm composing. I haven't solved that problem, and perhaps I never…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/there-will-have-to-be-times-when-i-m-not-conducting-because-i-m/)

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> [Orphei Drängar possesses a combination of power, energy, and culture. Joy of discovery combined with professional technical and musical prowess.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/orphei-dr-ngar-possesses-a-combination-of-power-energy-and-culture/)

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> [Los Angeles is just a more open place. The way L.A. functions is that people give you a forum. They say, Show…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/los-angeles-is-just-a-more-open-place-the-way-l-a-functions-is-that/)

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> [I actually don't like this term, "classic." It's wrong, but we don't have a better word at the moment.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-actually-don-t-like-this-term-classic-it-s-wrong-but-we-don-t-have/)

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> [I always felt that one day I would have to make the change in my own life, bite the bullet and see…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-always-felt-that-one-day-i-would-have-to-make-the-change-in-my-own/)

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> [The biggest difference between U.S and most European big cities is that in a place like London, for instance, there are five…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-biggest-difference-between-u-s-and-most-european-big-cities-is/)

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> [There is more openness in LA to possibilities than on the East Coast of America. There is a pioneering spirit there that…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/there-is-more-openness-in-la-to-possibilities-than-on-the-east-coast/)

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> [Every orchestra I know, every opera house I know, is desperately looking around trying to find new talent, new composing talent, supporting…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/every-orchestra-i-know-every-opera-house-i-know-is-desperately/)

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> [We need new art. Old art cannot do that. It can do lots of other things, and of course humanity hasn't changed…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/we-need-new-art-old-art-cannot-do-that-it-can-do-lots-of-other-things/)

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> [I'm trying to conduct only five months a year, and the rest will be composing time. I'm trying to spend as much…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-m-trying-to-conduct-only-five-months-a-year-and-the-rest-will-be/)

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> [If somebody had told me when I was starting composition in Helsinki in the '70s that I would end up in L.A.…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/if-somebody-had-told-me-when-i-was-starting-composition-in-helsinki/)

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> [If the seams are showing, there is something wrong with the performance or the construction of the piece. This idea is completely…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/if-the-seams-are-showing-there-is-something-wrong-with-the/)

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> [Conducting is intensely social. You work with a hundred people every day. You collaborate, you try to focus their thoughts, you try…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/conducting-is-intensely-social-you-work-with-a-hundred-people-every/)

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> [As we watch TV or films, there are no organic transitions, only edits. The idea of A becoming B, rather than A…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/as-we-watch-tv-or-films-there-are-no-organic-transitions-only-edits/)

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> [ There's so much energy exchange \[in conduction\], so you get back a lot, of course, but you also have to give a… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/there-s-so-much-energy-exchange-in-conduction-so-you-get-back-a-lot/)

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> [The act of conducting in itself, of waving my arms in the air and being in charge, I didn't miss. I missed…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-act-of-conducting-in-itself-of-waving-my-arms-in-the-air-and/)

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> [The Northern idea of form is more of a process. The various units of the form overlap. You can't tell where some…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-northern-idea-of-form-is-more-of-a-process-the-various-units-of/)

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> [There is such a suspicion in today's world of people who do more than one thing, who aren't specialized.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/there-is-such-a-suspicion-in-today-s-world-of-people-who-do-more-than/)

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> [I can't imagine how many first performances I've done, perhaps 500. Some of them have been very good, and some of course…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-can-t-imagine-how-many-first-performances-i-ve-done-perhaps-500/)

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> [This continuity of sound and form was something that I became really interested in from working with Ligeti. He was always going…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/this-continuity-of-sound-and-form-was-something-that-i-became-really/)

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> [This conducting thing happened. In 1983 I was sucked into this international career, which was a very scary experience.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/this-conducting-thing-happened-in-1983-i-was-sucked-into-this/)

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> [I discovered that the people of the North are different and there's no way you can make a person from the North…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-discovered-that-the-people-of-the-north-are-different-and-there-s/)

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> [I think we are in the process of getting the word out, and we haven't done very well yet. But we are…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-think-we-are-in-the-process-of-getting-the-word-out-and-we-haven-t/)

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> [ The sort of commercial parameters of classical music changed after the \[World War II\] , and the whole industry became more backward-looking. ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-sort-of-commercial-parameters-of-classical-music-changed-after/)

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> [The underlying process in Northern music tends to be slower and continuous, whatever's happening on the surface; in Southern music the underlying…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/the-underlying-process-in-northern-music-tends-to-be-slower-and/)

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> [In Europe, there is so much tradition, and everyone has established ideas as to what art should be and what it has…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/in-europe-there-is-so-much-tradition-and-everyone-has-established/)

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> [There was this kind of mildly annoying mythology about conductor Like biker should riding a Harley-Davidson on an LP cover, and wearing…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/there-was-this-kind-of-mildly-annoying-mythology-about-conductor-like/)

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> [Somehow, conductor as this superhuman conduit between the masters and the masterpieces and the immortals.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/somehow-conductor-as-this-superhuman-conduit-between-the-masters-and/)

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> [In the range of music that we play - roughly 300 years' worth-there really are more similarities than differences.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/in-the-range-of-music-that-we-play-roughly-300-years-worth-there/)

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> [Sometimes you spend nine months, 10 months, a year writing a piece that you will hear two years later or something like…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/sometimes-you-spend-nine-months-10-months-a-year-writing-a-piece-that/)

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> [If you think of the history, in the days of Brahms and Beethoven and all these guys, almost every concert was a…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/if-you-think-of-the-history-in-the-days-of-brahms-and-beethoven-and/)

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> [Anyone who composes and conducts at the same time is immediately suspect, because he must be faking one or the other.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/anyone-who-composes-and-conducts-at-the-same-time-is-immediately/)

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> [Our audience, it has been a more difficult process for classical music audiences around the world, and I'm not completely certain why.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/our-audience-it-has-been-a-more-difficult-process-for-classical-music/)

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> [Orchestras have become used to the emphasis on the separation of layers, of the ultimate precision and clarity.](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/orchestras-have-become-used-to-the-emphasis-on-the-separation-of/)

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> [I was starting a group of musicians and we had a group of young composers in Finland back in the '70s, and…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/i-was-starting-a-group-of-musicians-and-we-had-a-group-of-young/)

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> [If we always thought like that, why would we study physics, why would we think of cosmology, why would we do any…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/if-we-always-thought-like-that-why-would-we-study-physics-why-would/)

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> [Of course, if you think of a European or American household in the '50s, so what were the things that when people…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/esa-pekka-salonen/of-course-if-you-think-of-a-european-or-american-household-in-the-50s/)

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## Esa-Pekka Salonen by topic

[Music (18)](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/music/esa-pekka-salonen/) [Song (14)](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/song/esa-pekka-salonen/) [People (14)](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/about/people/esa-pekka-salonen/)

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