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title: "18 Ifs Quotes By Warren MacKenzie"
description: "18 Ifs quotes by Warren MacKenzie. Plus more from Warren MacKenzie and more Ifs sayings from other authors."
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> [ If you didn't know what you were trying to do, \[Robert von Neumann\] wouldn't say a word. He would just turn and… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/if-you-didn-t-know-what-you-were-trying-to-do-robert-von-neumann/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [Since your time is your main involvement here - I mean, the clay doesn't cost very much. Even the glaze and the…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/since-your-time-is-your-main-involvement-here-i-mean-the-clay-doesn-t/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ We thought \[with Alix MacKenzie\], if those are the kinds of pots from every culture that interest us, why would we think… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/we-thought-with-alix-mackenzie-if-those-are-the-kinds-of-pots-from/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ \[Bernard Leach\] talked about painting, but we never talked about ceramics in that evening. But at the end of the evening he… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/bernard-leach-talked-about-painting-but-we-never-talked-about/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ At that \[childhood\] time, of course, if you were involved in art, it was going to be drawing and painting, because that's… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/at-that-childhood-time-of-course-if-you-were-involved-in-art-it-was/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ We got a great benefit from our contact with those people \[Lucie Rie, Hans Coper, Richard Batram\] and met people that we… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/we-got-a-great-benefit-from-our-contact-with-those-people-lucie-rie/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ Finally if I had a pot that needed decoration, I would hand it to Alix \[MacKenzie\] and I would say, "Can you… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/finally-if-i-had-a-pot-that-needed-decoration-i-would-hand-it-to-alix/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [In searching for further training we turned to England and Bernard Leach. We thought since we had responded to his book so…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/in-searching-for-further-training-we-turned-to-england-and-bernard/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ It was a figure painting class, where you had a model, and \[Robert von Neumann \] would wander around and he'd come… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/it-was-a-figure-painting-class-where-you-had-a-model-and-robert-von/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [If you press-mold a pot or if you slab-build a pot, the work has got to take much, much, much longer than…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/if-you-press-mold-a-pot-or-if-you-slab-build-a-pot-the-work-has-got/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ Bernard \[Leach\] had acquired many \[Shoji\] Hamada works. Some of them, it was interesting - first of all, Hamada worked in St.… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/bernard-leach-had-acquired-many-shoji-hamada-works-some-of-them-it/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ If \[Bernard Leach\] didn't like the drawing, he'd X it out and do another one and change the form a little bit.… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/if-bernard-leach-didn-t-like-the-drawing-he-d-x-it-out-and-do-another/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [I make a lot of pots in a year's time and some of them are good and some of them are mediocre…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-make-a-lot-of-pots-in-a-year-s-time-and-some-of-them-are-good-and/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [I don't know, it's very difficult if you're in a strange country to just barge in and say, "Hello, I'm Warren MacKenzie,…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-don-t-know-it-s-very-difficult-if-you-re-in-a-strange-country-to/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [When we worked at the pottery, we did learn to make pots, that is, the physical act of making the pot. We…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/when-we-worked-at-the-pottery-we-did-learn-to-make-pots-that-is-the/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ Looking back on it now, I understand why that was not possible \[to express ourselves\], because the pottery employed a dozen people,… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/looking-back-on-it-now-i-understand-why-that-was-not-possible-to/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [If you take Lucie Rie and Hans Coper, their work didn't even relate to what we were trying to do, because they…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/if-you-take-lucie-rie-and-hans-coper-their-work-didn-t-even-relate-to/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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> [ At the end of that two weeks Bernard \[Leach\] asked us if we would like to sit with him tending the kiln,… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/at-the-end-of-that-two-weeks-bernard-leach-asked-us-if-we-would-like/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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## Other authors on Ifs

## More by Warren MacKenzie

> [ \[Kathleen Blackshear\] just said, "Have you thought of looking at this?" and so on and so on and so on. And it was a… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/kathleen-blackshear-just-said-have-you-thought-of-looking-at-this-and/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ Some years ago I was working on some forms which were vase forms with a fairly narrow base, and it was after \[Hans\] Coper… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/some-years-ago-i-was-working-on-some-forms-which-were-vase-forms-with/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [I found out later on that was not true, that life drawing tells you a great deal about rhythm, about the structure of a…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-found-out-later-on-that-was-not-true-that-life-drawing-tells-you-a/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [Remember, this is back in the '40s, and the idea of a museum being a place where interested people could come in direct contact…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/remember-this-is-back-in-the-40s-and-the-idea-of-a-museum-being-a/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ At the end of that two weeks Bernard \[Leach\] asked us if we would like to sit with him tending the kiln, the big… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/at-the-end-of-that-two-weeks-bernard-leach-asked-us-if-we-would-like/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [I got drafted into the army and by pure chance was pushed into a silk-screen shop at this camp where I was, because they…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-got-drafted-into-the-army-and-by-pure-chance-was-pushed-into-a-silk/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ \[In the Field Museum of Natural History\] we could see very simple, primitive, hand-built pottery from Babylonia and ancient Egypt and so forth, Greece.… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/in-the-field-museum-of-natural-history-we-could-see-very-simple/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [Chicago is a wonderful area because it's blessed with a tremendous number of museums of various sorts, not only the Art Institute of Chicago…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/chicago-is-a-wonderful-area-because-it-s-blessed-with-a-tremendous/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ It was a wonderful opportunity. And so for two and a half years we lived with \[Bernard\] Leach. ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/it-was-a-wonderful-opportunity-and-so-for-two-and-a-half-years-we/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ We thought \[with Alix MacKenzie\], if those are the kinds of pots from every culture that interest us, why would we think that it… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/we-thought-with-alix-mackenzie-if-those-are-the-kinds-of-pots-from/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [I went to the Chicago Art Institute, which was the best painting school in the area at that time. And I took painting classes…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-went-to-the-chicago-art-institute-which-was-the-best-painting/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [It was there that we really first came in contact with the work of Shoji Hamada, who was Bernard's best friend from Japan, who…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/it-was-there-that-we-really-first-came-in-contact-with-the-work-of/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ Bernard \[Leach\] was making pots which were duplicates of his drawing, and that was a difference of approach, which I think is quite critical… ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/bernard-leach-was-making-pots-which-were-duplicates-of-his-drawing/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [I don't know, it's very difficult if you're in a strange country to just barge in and say, "Hello, I'm Warren MacKenzie, and aren't…](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/i-don-t-know-it-s-very-difficult-if-you-re-in-a-strange-country-to/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

> [ \[Shoji\] Hamada seldom drew an exact drawing of a pot that he was going to make. ](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/warren-mackenzie/shoji-hamada-seldom-drew-an-exact-drawing-of-a-pot-that-he-was-going/)

[Warren MacKenzie](https://sms4smile.com/quotes/author/warren-mackenzie/)

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